and everybody -- all my friends, all of us at school, we all wanted to look like her. we all wanted to have the big eyebrows, and we all wanted to have the black hair and the beauty mark, and she was phenomenal, and i kept a scrapbook on her, which is why it was so fascinating for me a few years later in hollywood to actually meet her at mgm in the makeup room, and she was so sweet because she -- she was showing pictures of her children to everybody, and she was very bawdy. you know, i think that's something that a lot of people didn't know about her. she liked a salty turn of phrase, but then us english actresses always did do that. >> and apart from great acting, you also shared, of course, a penchant for men and husbands. joan, i hope you don't mind me saying that. you have 13 between you. >> oh, that's true, and, in fact, the last time that i got a divorce, she sent me a note, and she said, "i'm still ahead by three." i said -- i sent one back saying, "don't worry, liz. i'm going to catch up." and, liz -- i actually didn't call her liz. i always called her elizabeth because she didn't l